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    BBC News - UK fishing fleets get higher fish quotas but less time at sea

    British fishing fleets will be able to land more fish, but face fewer days at sea, following EU talks in Brussels.

    The British government says it achieved victory for the UK fishing industry in the annual Common Fisheries Policy negotiations, which ended at 04:00 GMT.

    The Scottish government was less happy, saying it faced "huge frustration".

    The BBC's Andy Moore says Britain had French and German support in battling against cuts that could have been disastrous for the UK fishing fleet.

    One of the proposals was to cut cod fishermen's days at sea to just four a fortnight.

    Threat lifted
    That particular threat now seems to have been lifted.

    The Scottish government was particularly delighted that the EU Commissioner, Maria Damanaki, accepted Scotland's interpretation of article 13 of the Cod Recovery Plan.

    This allows for boats to fish if they are practicising "cod avoidance measures", such as eliminator trawls, which allow effective fishing for haddock and whiting while eliminating cod from the catch.

    But boats will be confined to ports for longer making it harder to cash in on rises in fish quotas and Scottish Fisheries Minister Richard Lochhead said big challenges remain.

    Bertie Armstrong, chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen's Federation, criticised the cuts in days at sea, which is estimated to be between 15% and 25%.

    He said: "While fishing opportunity in terms of tonnage has always been vital, this time around it was the granting of enough time at sea to actually catch the fish that was under threat.

    'Bitter blow'
    "This is a bitter blow for our fishing fleet, which is now going to struggle to maintain economic viability under the impact of these totally unwarranted cuts."

    Conservation group Oceana Europe said scientific advice had been ignored.

    Oceana's executive director Xavier Pastor said: "Unfortunately nobody seems to be looking out for the welfare of the resources.

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    UK FISHING INDUSTRY

    Newlyn in Cornwall has the largest number of fishing vessels in the UK (619), followed by Milford Haven (483) and Poole (476).
    But Fraserburgh in Scotland has the largest capacity by gross tonnage (36,264), followed by Shetland (23,632).
    63% of UK fishing boats were built prior to 1991.
    While the number of boats being built has fallen, their average capacity and power have increased
    Source: UK Sea Fisheries Statistics 2010
    "This type of short-term approach will lead to the deterioration of not only fish populations, but also of the profitability of the sector and the viability of the fishing communities."

    The UK government's fisheries minister Richard Benyon said allowable catches for a number of species would go up next year.

    Fishermen in the north-east of England, for example, will be able to double their quota of herring.

    The amount of haddock that can be caught off the west coast of Scotland will treble.

    Our correspondent says some fishing stocks in some areas have recovered well, but it is a mixed and complicated picture.

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    We have been able to agree quotas that will not only allow local fishermen to make a living but will also ensure that we can protect the environment”

    Richard Benyon
    Fisheries Minister
    The European Fisheries Commission was seeking an overall reduction of 11% for the total catch in the Atlantic and North Sea.

    Many conservation groups say big reductions are needed to protect fish stocks.

    The exact details of how many days each boat can take to the sea will be worked out over the next few weeks.

    Mr Benyon said: "After two days of tense and frustrating negotiations, I am delighted to have secured the best deal possible for the UK fishing industry and ensure the future sustainability of our fish stocks.

    "By arguing that we should follow scientific advice, we have been able to agree quotas that will not only allow local fishermen to make a living but will also ensure that we can protect the environment."


    The Scottish government said it was frustrated with the outcome of the EU fishing talks
    Mr Lochhead said: "Quotas are the lifeblood of the fleet and we have won increases for our key stocks in line with the science.

    "There is very good news on the west coast in particular with a 200% increase in haddock quota and the removal of regulations that were hurting the fleet."

    He also highlighted the retention of this year's scampi catch allowance in Northern Ireland next year.

    'Annual circus'
    But he added: "We are very disappointed that despite the call from many member states for a pause in the annual cut in days at sea for vessels that fish in the Cod Recovery Zone, Europe pressed ahead."

    Scottish Conservative MEP Struan Stevenson described the talks as being an "annual circus" akin to a "Christmas pantomime".

    He said : "It is the most vivid manifestation of the discredited system of fisheries micro-management from Brussels. Happily we may now be able to sweep this aside with the complete reform of the Common Fisheries Policy that is currently under way."

    The agreement came only hours after 17 skippers from the Shetlands were ordered to hand over almost £3m by the High Court in Edinburgh after lying about the size of catches from their boats.

    The so-called "black fish" scandal dates from 2003-2005
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    I might be missing something here but no mention of discard

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    • #3
      yeah i think the idea is that they can keep what they catch but they have 15 days a year less to do it with....so if they arnt on the fish,then its unlucky ducky. (thats how im picking it up anyway)
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      • #4
        Whatever deal is made, the boat skippers are never going to be happy. They just want to catch as much as they want, whenever they want. As long as there is money to be made, they dont care about stocks or scientific concern. Surely by now they must know that overfishing will only lead to a complete loss of livleyhood in the not so distant future. Ban trawling for good is what i say, Let the stocks fully recover. Then have a well managed, sustainable fishery. As for the skippers landing black fish, they should be treated as theives, jailed and never allowed to work at sea again.

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        • #5
          dont want to start a handbag session big lad you have put forward your opinion on trawler skippers, now its mine

          there are many trawler skippers in this country who do care passionately about fish stocks,if they have spent hundreds of thousands on a boat,they want something to catch in the future

          as in all professions trades etc there will be wrong-uns amongst them for sure
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          • #6
            Originally posted by lingking View Post
            dont want to start a handbag session big lad you have put forward your opinion on trawler skippers, now its mine

            there are many trawler skippers in this country who do care passionately about fish stocks,if they have spent hundreds of thousands on a boat,they want something to catch in the future

            as in all professions trades etc there will be wrong-uns amongst them for sure
            I think the hundreds of thousands they spend on their boats is the problem Duncan , it puts them in an awkward position regards fish stocks, they know they have to meet the payments on the boat and they know how much fish they need to land to meet them , if the scientific advice says they can only afford to land x amount or risk destroying the fish stocks and the bank says they need to land y amount or risk having their boat repossessed, what do they do?
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            • #7
              aye ray you make a good point

              but theres a hell of a lot of them nowhere near as badly off financially as they make out to be
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              • #8
                Waching that trawlerman programme, they are making 15 grand profit for a 10 day trip. Takes me nearly a year to earn that.

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                • #9
                  this site is full of whingers my fish his fish ****ing ****e
                  Last edited by bill dial; 20-12-2011, 03:27 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bill dial View Post
                    Big roppa i take it you dont go fishing for a living ?????prob not and prob not a days work in ya you dont know wot its like to earn a living from sea probably never will you say jail every skipper that lands back door fish same shud apply to all who sell drugs back door and everything else that get sold back door if thats the case. they shud ban angling takeing fish from the sea without a liscence so yo shud be jailed its a case of theft is it not ???? so every time you take summit from work and sell; it on just remember its theft asnd you shud be treat like a criminal ok bud


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bill dial View Post
                      Big roppa i take it you dont go fishing for a living ?????prob not and prob not a days work in ya you dont know wot its like to earn a living from sea probably never will you say jail every skipper that lands back door fish same shud apply to all who sell drugs back door and everything else that get sold back door if thats the case. they shud ban angling takeing fish from the sea without a liscence so yo shud be jailed its a case of theft is it not ???? so every time you take summit from work and sell; it on just remember its theft asnd you shud be treat like a criminal ok bud
                      dont know what you "on" mate but i would come off it if i was you

                      the biglad put his point of view/thoughts forward,

                      could have made for an interesting discussion

                      in fact your post is quite a personal attack on the lad to the point of being agressive,i shall not be surprised if it is removed
                      Last edited by lingking; 20-12-2011, 03:02 PM.
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                      • #12
                        May as well add my view to this a sit means nothing anyway..

                        Fishing for a living is bloody hard and i would never like to do it not knowing if you would be paid that day or week, silly fish rules dont help a dieing sea so i feel sorry for the skippers trying to catch fish and prawns and make a living but i agree with the above "more fish is never enough" it is human nature to take and keep taking and sad as it maybe the only time people will stop catching fish is when one of two things happen....no money/demand to be made in it or none left to catch.

                        Until one of them two happens the sea will be fished dry, we are all paying for past failures to understand the workings of the sea...the saying "plenty more fish in the sea" tells you all you need to know about the past way of thinking.


                        Like i say just my opinion and it means and counts for nothing, i just hope if i ever do have kids that i can show them the joys of angling.
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                        • #13
                          Well said Duncan some people just are'nt quite with it
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lingking View Post
                            dont know what you "on" mate but i would come off it if i was you

                            the biglad put his point of view/thoughts forward,

                            could have made for an interesting discussion

                            in fact your post is quite a personal attack on the lad to the point of being agressive,i shall not be surprised if it is removed
                            Dont mind mate, let him have a go. Always seems to touch a nerve when trawlers wrongdoings are mentioned. As for not having a days work in me, i work 40+ hours a week in a dead end job and have done since i left school. I dont steal and i dont take drugs.

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                            • #15
                              It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own......................


                              apparently.....

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