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    Below is the full article that should of gone into the Sunday Sun, unfortunately, what went in was very misleading

    sorry chaps

    Are boat anglers sometime in the future going to be hit with another European money spinner. Up to now anyone who buys a DGPS or GPS system for their boat can immediately use the American military navigational system FOR FREE, however I have a feeling that after GPS jamming trials have taken place this could change. Jamming trails are to take place from 30th November off Tynemouth for five days, Captain R H Barker, Director of Navigational Requirements, has announced, of course this has been widely advertised-and every boat owner with a GPS on board has seen it advertised in local press, marinas, boat yards, tackle shops and chandlers, If you haven’t, and I doubt you have, you had better take note that the area off Tynemouth the jamming will take place is in a box with corners 55º 09'. 00N 001º 08'. 52W, 55º 00'.00N 001º 00'.48W, 54º 58'.02N 001º 10'.02W, 55º 01'.02N 001º 13'.02W, 55º 07'.98N 001º 13'.02W. Between 10am to 4pm in 1 hour slots two hours apart, from a ship seven miles off shore. Obviously these trails are meant to be for commercial vessels, however if somebody is jamming GPS signals on purpose or by accident it will affect small boat owners as well. Previous study results can be seen at Maritime Jamming Trial Shows GPS Vulnerabilities | GPS World which amazingly shows quite a few deficiencies, -funny how they have just cropped up now- in the GPS system, but two points I have noted are the comparison that has been made between the GPS system and the new European system eLoran which shows that eLoran has advantages
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    Loran’s positions were recorded onboard the vessel and consistently maintained the vessel’s during GPS jamming. The position accuracy of Loran was assessed prior to the start of the jamming exercises and it was found to be on the order of 8 m (95%) in the area of Flamborough Head.
    · Loran was demonstrated to the audience and showed that the vessel’s position on an electronic chart was perfectly usable for coastal phase navigation during periods of GPS outage-but will it help anglers find wrecks?

    This gets me thinking that sometime in the future we might have to pay a licence fee to use the eLoran system if the American system goes off by accident and boat anglers have to use the European eLoran system.
    Last edited by Charlton; 09-11-2009, 08:16 PM.
    Alan

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    aye alan, its another one worth keeping an eye on, "good report" and a worthwhile safety bulletin.

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    • #3
      If the American system goes off " by accident" Are they testing to see if they can jam the American system and leave eLoran not being affected by the jamming, thus garunteeing that at some time you will have to pay a licence fee?
      As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
      but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mike.Haley View Post
        If the American system goes off " by accident" Are they testing to see if they can jam the American system and leave eLoran not being affected by the jamming, thus garunteeing that at some time you will have to pay a licence fee?
        now would I infer something like that, heaven forbid.
        Alan

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        • #5
          Interesting stuff Alan, well written.

          Alan

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Charlton View Post
            now would I infer something like that, heaven forbid.
            I know a man of your standing would never cast aspersions of such nature.
            Its just the way my mind works, which has mostly proved correct in these matters.
            The devious B*****d's are always up to these kind of things.
            As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
            but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Charlton View Post
              Below is the full article that should of gone into the Sunday Sun, unfortunately, what went in was very misleading

              sorry chaps

              Are boat anglers sometime in the future going to be hit with another European money spinner. Up to now anyone who buys a DGPS or GPS system for their boat can immediately use the American military navigational system FOR FREE, however I have a feeling that after GPS jamming trials have taken place this could change. Jamming trails are to take place from 30th November off Tynemouth for five days, Captain R H Barker, Director of Navigational Requirements, has announced, of course this has been widely advertised-and every boat owner with a GPS on board has seen it advertised in local press, marinas, boat yards, tackle shops and chandlers, If you haven’t, and I doubt you have, you had better take note that the area off Tynemouth the jamming will take place is in a box with corners 55º 09'. 00N 001º 08'. 52W, 55º 00'.00N 001º 00'.48W, 54º 58'.02N 001º 10'.02W, 55º 01'.02N 001º 13'.02W, 55º 07'.98N 001º 13'.02W. Between 10am to 4pm in 1 hour slots two hours apart, from a ship seven miles off shore. Obviously these trails are meant to be for commercial vessels, however if somebody is jamming GPS signals on purpose or by accident it will affect small boat owners as well. Previous study results can be seen at Maritime Jamming Trial Shows GPS Vulnerabilities | GPS World which amazingly shows quite a few deficiencies, -funny how they have just cropped up now- in the GPS system, but two points I have noted are the comparison that has been made between the GPS system and the new European system eLoran which shows that eLoran has advantages
              ·
              Loran’s positions were recorded onboard the vessel and consistently maintained the vessel’s during GPS jamming. The position accuracy of Loran was assessed prior to the start of the jamming exercises and it was found to be on the order of 8 m (95%) in the area of Flamborough Head.
              · Loran was demonstrated to the audience and showed that the vessel’s position on an electronic chart was perfectly usable for coastal phase navigation during periods of GPS outage-but will it help anglers find wrecks?

              This gets me thinking that sometime in the future we might have to pay a licence fee to use the eLoran system if the American system goes off by accident and boat anglers have to use the European eLoran system.
              Alan the revenue clawed for licencing the use of gps is enormous all boats or 99.9% of boats have some sort of gps reciever but just think how many cars and wagons also use gps some people cant drive without a sat nav poor souls they have now let everybody in on the use of gps now its pay back time.

              paul.



              Last edited by big cod; 12-11-2009, 06:27 AM.
              http://sea-otter2.co.uk/

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