Uptiding

[jason]

dave

sean did say this year in his post not this winter - i took it he meant summer trips for the long haul. I would not go out with anyone for that sort of trip in the winter and would look at the weather forcast in some depth prior to having a trip like that in the summer.

jason

ps got your pm just looking at the diary and will let you know.

[davem2005]

That certainly wasnt the impression you gave in your post.

You only have to look at the amount of boat reports in this forum to see how bad the winter conditions can be.

My last trip ended before we left the tyne piers...in fact at lloyds jetty.

Planning a 40 mile trip is foolhardy to say the least.

Go out of the pool marina...head north...but stay within an easy ride home.

Any where north of steetly pier between a mile to three miles out will get you fish.

Your other plans should bear in mind the following..

Three killed as huge waves capsize cruiser | Independent, The (London) | Find Articles at BNET.com

also

Fishing boat's lifeboat escort in raging seas - Updated Story - Scarborough Today

Your winter uptiding plans are potentialy dangerous, and though I have no objection to you taking your own boat out on some far fetched plan...I do object to you risking the life of others by your plans.

Lets be honest...a guy says I just bought a boat and I know **** all about fishing out of hartlepool....but will you come with me...

Were going on a major offshore trip in the midde of winter...

Sounds like an offer to hard to refuse..

See the above news clips for my reason for saying that.

[Charlie_Thompson]

Sean's gonna knack ya for that post dave

What you say makes sense but I'm sure sean's plans are not as you describe.

Go on big_sean bash him up

[davem2005]

Charlie .
I have never had a post wind me up more than this on here.

OK...if i get barred so be it ..

This guy is proposing to kill forum members...thats my reading.

I've been out to the wall...which I think is his plans...i've skippered a boat out there twice and skippered one back three times..its a rough journey. All those trips were made in june (remember the shark fishing trip).

There is no way I would take my boat out there and I have 100% confidence in it...

Your mobile fone does not work out there..the radio is hit and miss...although the coastguard will always pick you up.

The thought of taking anything but a certified charter boat out there is stupid.

To propose a trip like that in winter is mental so say the least. Oh...I now hear its a summer plan...so why put it here in december/jan...Then its an uptiding trip with no anchor put out...

Ok...i lost the plot ...wont be posting again on this...

FFS I hope BIG_Sean aint a big guy ...

There is potential for a trip of that distance but to be honest its best done with a charter skipper who has a BIG boat cos its a long way.

No more posts ...honest cos I gonna get myself banned.

PS...if sean wants the GPS numbers I would be happy to post em...just so he doesn't miss it...cos its a big ocean.

[jason]

dave

You as an experienced boater and angler i totally respect your opinion but

i do think that you have got the wrong end of the stick. Yes Sean asked for advice on uptiding and then we moved on to me offering to crew, i then stated that i have had 17 years EXPERIENCE in the Royal Navy (during this time i drove everything from aircraft carriers to small ribs). I mentioned that i know my way around a rope etc ( because i know from experience that people that volunteer to crew do not necessary know their way around a boat and are not expecting to help out etc) if you then read Seans next post he says "dont worry about ropes as where i am intending going this year ropes wont be needed " which i read as a tongue in cheek response to my offer of rope handling and nothing else - certainly not an offer to as you say go on a major offshore trip in the winter.


Like i say 17 years in the navy gaining vast experience of the sea and how to approach it counts for alot - i have been out with several members from the board (thanks Norman, Bert, Richy, Dave Mason Simon) and other people with boats and i would always only go with the ones i feel are safe (boat wise, handling wise, radios, PLAN, weather etc) i used to post my own weather on here from reading the barometric charts and they were pretty accurate so i do know what i am doing - if i turned up to go fishing with a guy and i felt that there was any danger i would turn around and get back in the car - if at sea the guys i have been out with have been more than safe and we have come in on several occasions not just because the weather has got up but because there was a risk of it this has always been after we have discussed it and they have listened to my opinion.

if you read this and all of seans previous posts he seems to be a sensible guy and i dont think there is a case for any bashing as we are all adults and this site is there for sensible debate if that is misinterpretated then so be it.


Fishing is great but not worth loosing a life for.

Thanks for the concern it is appreciated but please read the thread again and see how it evolved.

Kind regards Jason

[Charlie_Thompson]

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[big_sean]

boats

Hi Dave

firstly i agree with your comments about going offshore in winter but i strongly disagree with that the only way to travell offshore is with a charter boat as during the last year or so how many charter boats have been towed in from breaking down and also running out of diesel ?

also if you looked on other forums and especially those that chat about the south coast you will see that lots of small boat owners frequently travell up to 60 miles offshore and they very rarely need any assistance

the worst things in the world for causing problems are not been kitted out properly and i have spent a fortune making sure i have the right kit for what i want to do

i started my boat handling days when i was 20 years of age and used to crew for a couple of charter boats
then i bought my own boat and frequently went 30 to 40 miles offshore and never once came across a problem

i had a few years away from boats then decided that i wanted my own again after a long saga of been sold down the river and things not been done right i have now just got things sorted as lots of places claim to be boat repairers and fit out centers but they are just cowboys
i am currently just having the final few jobs done to my boat and that includes having all the electrics and all safety gear fully sorted before i go out
i fully understand where you are coming from with the links you have posted but who in the right mind goes out in the weather that they went out in (NOT ME!!)

last year my boat was at bridlington and on the occasions that we did get out we never went further than 1 mile from the coastline but we were 16 miles from port but the other boats down there frequently go well offshore

if you look at the lifeboat reports about who they are rescuing you will see that its very rarely small angling boats usually speed boats that have run out of fuel yatchs and plain idiots

the whitby case that you have posted the link about why were they let out of the harbour in a northerly gale and who launched them ?????

i do take things about safety very sensibly

thanks for your valid comments and also note that you have not upset me at all

i love a great debate

Sean

[gazzawill]

sean posted

also if you looked on other forums and especially those that chat about the south coast you will see that lots of small boat owners frequently travell up to 60 miles offshore and they very rarely need any assistance
this aint the south coast i i bet they dont get swells like the north east does i totaly agree with what dave said and what you did in parts to but others reading this post may not pick up on toung in cheek ways of talking and think
well if he can go out so can i
beware whats said in a post as all people that read it aint the experianced angler/boat owner
respect gary
stay safe all

[davem2005]

Sorry for the tone of some of my posts and would agree that the thread has changed plot considerably.

I know that long distance trips are common down south, but also note that the practice of small boat owners clubs is far more common than up here and group outings are far more common. The seas are also far busier so help is likely to be much closer to hand.

With regard to charter boats breaking down I would suggest this is more a case of the law of averages says if you go out to sea every day you are far more likely to have some kind of problem than the guy who goes out a few times a month.

I have not spent a lot of time on charter boats however on the 5 occasions I have been out to "the wall" ( which equates to about 280 miles of steaming) the skipper has always teamed up with another boat rather than go it alone. A sensible precation taken by professionals who know they have 2 1/2 hours steaming each way.

With regard to the 22 footer that was swamped at Whitby, you ask why did no one stop him going out? My own experiences of that are port are as follows.

I have my new boat, first trip planned to Whitby. We arrive at the slipway, go in the harbour masters office and pay our slipway fee and parking ticket. Buy the bait and just as we are backing down the slipway a local tells us we have no chance of getting out of the harbour mouth. A quick drive down to the seafront confirms this to be the case.

Back to the harbour masters office for a refund...no chance..
Why did he not tell us it was too rough before we payed..."Not my job"...which to me roughly translates to "I've got your money and I dont give a ...."
Hardly the attitude of a person you would expect to call you on the radio if you were heading into danger.

Theres a nice link here for the Sheltie and one owners modification list to make it more suitable and safer.

Shetland Owners Association

I was under the impression all shetlands were twin skinned with a foam infill to make them unsinkable, seems that is not the case.

If this summer was anything to go by your chances of making a 40 mile trip are pretty slim.

Cheers
Dave

[big_sean]

shetland

Hi Gazza

just to let you know that any sea can be a dangerous place and the south coast can be one hell of a sea as big swells can come from out of the middle of the atlantic without warning all seas claim lives but with respect they are fun places to be

Hi Dave

yes i knew about the floor on shelties and all my floor was removed and re filled with foam last year (because it had got some water in boat dealer said it would be ok )i wouldnt go anywhere without a foam filled floor

as for the modifications to shelties the link you have posted talks about a huge ariel i wonder why anyone would want a huge ariel maybe with an 18' ariel you can chat to land at 65 miles offshore and further (it tells the story on the link to the site that i have posted)

Shetland Owners Association

any way i am off to bed now but thanks for the replies and great debate

Sean