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    Ok, then – in an effort to keep the “Barmouth” thread as it was (I assume) originally intended i.e. a tribute, I’ll start a topic off regarding the question, How should the RNLI be funded.

    I’m no expert on such matters but the way I see it, as things stand, the RNLI has full autonomy in the way it provides cover along our coastline, and it’s pretty comprehensive cover, too.
    The “North East” area, as defined by the RNLI, covers the whole coastline between Berwick, in the North to Skegness, in the South. Within that area, there are 23 RNLI stations.

    Because of the fact that the organisation is funded as a charity, means that there’s no Governmental control over funding. If the service WAS Government funded, it would HAVE to run on a cost effective, business basis. In my mind, this would undoubtedly result in a CUT in service provision and cover.

    We could well see those existing 23 stations cut to 5;
    Northumberland
    Tyne & Wear
    Tees
    Yorks
    Lincs.

    It could even be less, if for example, the Tyne to Tees was defined as 1 area.

    What’s the 1st thing to suffer when the Chancellor has to find money from somewhere to cover things like cuts in interest rates? – PUBLIC SECTOR SPENDING !

    If the Govt. DID get its’ hands on the RNLI, you’d find station after station being decommissioned because they “weren’t cost effective” – WHAT PRICE COST EFFECTIVENESS?

    Recently, a North East Local Authority decided to withdraw lifeguard cover from its beach because of “cost effectiveness” – result a dead child last year! Lo and behold, this year, they’ve managed to find funding to cover lifeguard provision for the beach – TOO LATE !

    We’ve also seen it happen recently with HM Coastguard – station after station being shut down to “rationalise resources” i.e. SAVE MONEY.

    In answer to the question, “Should the RNLI be Government funded?” I for one, would say NO WAY ! The charitable status of the RNLI has worked fine since its’ inception – DON’T TRY TO FIX IT IF IT AIN’T BROKE !

    As regards “paying” members of Lifeboat crews a salary – that (I think) would go hand in hand with being Government funded (or worse, still - run as a private concern).

    Yes, I know we ALL appreciate the time, effort, commitment, bravery, courage, etc which the crews show time after time by going out in atrocious conditions to rescue both the unlucky and the foolhardy. BUT, they do that as volunteers and I very much doubt if they’d want it any other way.

  • #2
    Very nicely put Tony , and directly to the point .

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    • #3
      Good to know you made it home ok, Dave

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      • #4
        gag1 posted......

        \"I dont want to get too poitical as I cannot abide poiticians but isnt it about time that these guys were paid and paid bloody well for the work that they do for us ? We were on holiday last year in Filey and I had a walk into the Lifeboat station. On reading the Incident board for the station,it was brought fully home just how much these people risk their lives for us and thank God we have got them.It really maddens me when I remember that I used to do the Great North Run to buy vital equipment for ambulances.If we look at the local services such as the Air Ambulance etc.etc. they are paid for by the generosity of the public. Sad state of affairs when it is ok to spend billions on weapons to kill people and absolutely nothing to support the RNLI and other services. God Bless those guys and everyone else working for such services.\"

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        • #5
          Alan Charlton posted.......

          \"As for paying the lifeboat men who risk their lives, all i could see this leading to is that people and maybe the wrong type would come in just for the money.
          p.s. my son is on Tynemouth Lifeboat if you are wondering and i hope i never have to go thorugh what those brave lads family are going through right now. Although it is a very worrying time when the maroons go off i would never try and persuade him not to do what he does. His other job is a teacher\"

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          • #6
            gag1 posted.....

            \"Fair comment Charlton, but I still think that they deserve to be paid for the work that they do.\"

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            • #7
              Dave Mason posted.......

              \"You have just hit on some very good points m8 . Thr RNLI have been offered goverment help on a number of occassions but have wisely declined to do so . The logic of this is , as soon as the goverment gets a say in the operations it will go the same way as everything else and be ran like a business .

              Look no further than the coastguard station and helicopter rescue airfields that have been shut . Later this year ( gobsmackingly ) the coastguard is no longer legally obliged to mount a listening watch on the emergency channel 16 and everyone is expected to carry DSC radio\'s .

              Another thing while I\'m on my box , the ripoff radio license fee should be abolished and people encouraged to carry vhf radio\'s instead of obstacles being put in their way .

              Cannot wait to get my new id card , I\'ll feel a lot safer \"

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              • #8
                £290,000 to keep the R.N.L.I. running for one day. It breaks my heart that the only people that do NOT get payed are at the pointy end. Some things in this country are so consistent, welcome to the rip off capital of the world.
                Remember, some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them.

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                • #9
                  I know I’ve used the analogy before, but the Mountain rescue teams in places like the Lakes, Scotland, Snowdonia, etc ALL operate on the same charitable basis.

                  They, too, voluntarily risk their lives to search for and rescue others in dangerous conditions.
                  They, too, are soley dependant upon donations from the public and those who have a personal “interest” ie venture into the mountains and fells.
                  They , too, have the same reservations about Govt. funding and the subsequent issue of “cost effectiveness” of service provision

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                  • #10
                    Heres a link to some fact sheets about the RNLI.

                    The RNLI also cover Southern Ireland but recieve a yearly grant from the Irish government towards their funds,This is done on the understanding that it is accepted with no strings attached to it.

                    The fact sheets are in PDF format so you will need a reader to view them but it can also be downloaded from the same link page if needed.

                    http://www.rnli.org.uk/fact.asp

                    [Edited on 12/4/2004 by Marc]

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                    • #11
                      Couldnt agree with you more Willy,My sentiments exactly.
                      gag1

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                      • #12
                        I\'am happy for to be run as it is...............
                        Just wondered though is the Coxwain employed full time or engineer,i think someone is ? maybe Alan Charlton will know this one.
                        I only give to two charties RNLI and Poppy Appeal on a regular basis, wor lass gets a handout at the end of the month as well lol
                        Cheers Alan...

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                        • #13
                          I have nothing against any member of a volunteer body being paid, and opaid well for risking his neck, although i do think it will attract those who are after the money. Very strict conditions would have to be set. What bugs me is that every volunteer body mountain rescue, RNLI are all run by donations. All governments in my mind know that they will always get away without funding such organisations as they know the general public will always fund such worth while causes. Would not be surprised they would stop funding the NHS if they could get away with it.
                          Alan

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                          • #14
                            Not like me to be political - there are other things to waste my valuable time on BUT is it coincidental that the 3 services previously mentioned - the RNLI, the Mountain Rescue service and the Air Ambulance are 3 of the most gifted, talented and professional groups you could ever want to be associated with yet we waste millions every year on countless government quangos while at the same time paying twice for dental care, letting people die on a hospital waiting list if they can\'t afford to go private and sending your kids to schools that are held together with sticky tape and function on PTA funds.
                            As to an answer to your question Tony the Eire no strings attached system seems an excellent bonus to the money raising system we already have. Involve the government (of whatever political allegiance) and you\'re in for a change for the worse.

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                            • #15
                              Alan F. - I don\'t know if it applies to ALL stations, but I think most have one full-time, paid employee - the station mechanic.

                              It would be nice to get the views of some RNLI crew members (if there are any reading this, please feel free to comment).

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